The ArticleThe comment was made in response to the article: “Children In Britain Are Being Sent To Clinics To Be Told That They Are Transgender”.
The article was attributed to Theodore Shoebat.
The text of the comment was originally recorded here: http://shoebat.com/2017/07/10/children-in-britain-are-being-sent-to-clinics-to-be-told-that-they-are-transgender/#comment-3421045030
The comment was made by Andrea Wright (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_u52jnKnZ6E/) and addressed to Theodore Shoebat, the author of the article.
On 23 July 2017 the discussion reads as follows:
Andrea Wright to the Author of the article - (17 July 2017)
Hello Theodore,As at 7 August 2017, no response had been made.
Please could you confirm if I understand what you are suggesting.
You believe that the parents of all the children who have been referred to gender identity clinics should be arrested and executed?
And also that if any of the children cannot be rehabilitated then they should be stoned to death with stones?
Also I'd appreciate it if you'd let me know if you have contacted any of the parents, children or medical staff involved in this to seek out their opionion to find out what's actually happening or if you're suggesting that executions should happen based on an one report at CP World?
I note on the web site of the American College of Pediatricians, that when asked "Does the College advise its members to refuse care to LGBQT-identified children and families?". It answers as follows:
"Of course not. As expressed in our mission, vision and values statement, the College and its members are committed to compassionately caring for all children regardless of their family structure, race, ethnicity, ideology or sexual preference. We physicians extend unconditional respect to our patients who may hold different views, and we ask that our own convictions and professional judgment be likewise respected."
Would you therefore say that members of the American College of Pediatricians should be subject to a similar punishment?
The ArticleThe comment was made in response to the article: “How Modern Women Are Destroying Society (And Before You Scream Sexist, WATCH THE VIDEO)”.
The article was attributed to Theodore Shoebat. And I did watch the video.
The text of the comment was originally recorded here: http://shoebat.com/2017/07/19/how-modern-women-are-destroying-society-and-before-you-scream-sexist-watch-the-video/#comment-3428175333
The comment was made by Andrea Wright (https://disqus.com/by/disqus_u52jnKnZ6E/) and addressed to Theodore Shoebat, the author of the article and maker of the video.
On 23 July 2017 the discussion reads as follows:
Andrea Wright to the Author of the article - (21 July 2017)
Hi Theodore,Randy Perez to Andrea Wright (24 July 2017)
Some of the statements made in this video are unconvincing and some appear to be incorrect.
As an example, there is an assertion that "most people do not agree with homosexuality".
If you look here: http://www.gallup.com/poll/... - the figures show that the assertion made in the video is incorrect.
Also there is this: http://www.people-press.org...
And it's not only "millenials" that feel this way.
If you don't trust these figures then perhaps you could point to alternative credible figures elsewhere and I'd be happy to take a look.
I can accept the argument that just because the majority of people are in agreement about something doesn't make that thing correct.
What I'm unhappy about is that statements are made that appear to be incorrect in supporting any kind of an argument.
There's quite an emphasis upon the wife of Lot in the video. The implication being that because one woman behaved in a particular way then all women are the same.
It's similar to someone saying "I read a story about someone that was gay that molested a child so all gay people are child molesters."
Or someone else saying "I know that there have been Catholic priests that have molested children, so all Catholic priests must be child molesters."
This kind of thinking is patently absurd.
I've re-read through the account of Abram (later Abraham) and Lot's lives as recorded in the book of Genesis from chapters 12 through to 20.
Here are some things that stand out to me.
Very little is said about Lot's wife other than that she "looked back" and what happened to her as a result of that.
There's a lot more about Abram and Lot.
Abram (and then later as Abraham), had a habit of pretending that he wasn't married to his wife. This resulted in his wife being used sexually on at least one occasion and also made Abram into a wealthy man. The people having sex with Abram's wife didn't know she was married to Abram. In fact Abram had led them to believe that she was unmarried and available. The only people to suffer as a result of this were the people that Abram lied to. Abram effectively made a prostitute of his wife.
Lot, who often seems to be characterised as a "righteous man" offered his virgin daughters to a mob of people, and said the mob could use them anyway they liked. Granted, this was to get the mob to not molest his visitors, but it's an appalling thing to do nevertheless.
Later, Lot allows himself to get so drunk that he has sex with his daughters. He was so drunk he couldn't remember doing it. They both had children as a result of having sex with their father.
I know gay people. None of them have prostituted their partners or had children with family members.
Yet I am told to believe that they are evil and that Lot and Abram are righteous?
The story of Abram, Lot and Lot's wife seem to say a lot more about the way that men have the potential to destroy society than it does about women.
To use the story of Lot's wife as a way of tarnishing the reputation of women without taking a look at the entire story in context seems to me to be misleading and disingenuous.
When Jesus told people to "remember Lot's wife" He wasn't making a statement about women. He was telling people not to look back when there was an urgent need to move forwards.
Please, if you are going to attack women and gay people do it with honesty and integrity and not, as appears to be the case here, by taking passages of Scripture out of context and tarnishing the reputation of large groups of people based on your experiences of a few.
There is no demographic group called "gay" just like there isn't a demographic group for thieves. Scripture is enough to attack, which is a good emotional manipulative word to make Theodore look like some time of abuser, sodomites and Women.
Theodore's overall point is correct. Men go out of their way toto please women, even being yes men. Even bars and clubs are set up to please women. Why? Because the men will go also.
God had homosexuals executed, yes even someone who picked up sticks on a sabbath. Yet He let Lot lived.
He even had someone executed for someone saying the equaling of OMG. Do you think those judgements were unjust?
Andrea Wright to Randy Perez (24 July 2017)
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
I'm not sure what point you're making exactly in saying that there is no demographic group called "gay".
Time Magazine http://time.com/lgbt-stats/ has an article about efforts in the USA to define a gay demography. Similarly in the UK the Office For National Statistics have done some work to define this: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peop...
The point that I made was that the in the video Theodore asserts "most people do not agree with homosexuality". Yet there is no evidence to suggest that this is the case - in fact the evidence is that this assertion is incorrect.
Do you not think that if it were really true that "men go out of their way to please women" then that's a "man" problem rather than a "woman" problem?
It's interesting to take a look at the statistics regarding violence against women committed by men compared with violence against men committed by women.
The kind of thing that I mean is how many men rape women each year compared with women raping men. Or beat them. Or threaten them.
The World health Organisation has some information here: http://www.who.int/mediacen... and Wikipedia here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wi....
Reading the Bible or a history book or a daily newspaper shows that where there are problems of violence and hate in the world - the kinds of thing that destroy society - the majority of the perpetrators of this are men.
I'm not, in any way, suggesting that all men are bad.
But asking me to believe that women are the main "destroyers of society" ... well ... I need actual evidence rather than pronouncements based on a couple of personal experiences and three words of Jesus that are taken out of context.
The point I made about Scripture was that if it's going to be used to make a point then the passages used should be used in context.
It's not enough to simply quote a few words and then make a big issue out of them. The way that the words "Remember Lot's wife" are used in the video does exactly this.
It's kinda like someone coming out with a headline that says "It's official: The Bible says 'there is no God'" without mentioning the words that come just before it that say "Fools say in their hearts."
Please could you point me to a place in the Bible where God has someone executed because they are homosexual - rather than because they are part of a group of people that want to gang-rape strangers?
You asked me if I think the executions that you mention were "just".
I've spent a while researching the incident mentioned in chapter 15 of Numbers about the man executed for gathering sticks on the Sabbath.
I think that for a person that believes that God only ever does just and loving things, and also believes that it was God that commanded the executions then the answer is maybe simple. The executions had to be an expression of justice and also of love. We just might not be able to see enough of the full picture to understand why.
For everyone else it's maybe more complicated.
In several posts on this web site I've asked people if they are willing to share with me why it is that they believe what they believe. I've mentioned the passage in 1 Peter 3:15-16 that says:
"but in your hearts sanctify Christ as Lord. Always be ready to make your defense to anyone who demands from you an accounting for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and reverence".
So far, no-one has done this.
The closest I got to a response has been "Why should I answer you when you appear to be sympathetic toward fags?".
I'd appreciate it if you'd take some time to explain to me why you believe, rather than just what you believe. Maybe this would help me understand why you believe in the justice and the love of God.
To me it seems that the New Testament defines a New Covenant.
The New Covenant doesn't talk about executing people.
I've just spent a while reading chapter 5 of Matthew's gospel.
Whatever the results of disobedience to God's laws might be in the afterlife, it's really difficult to find any talk of executing people for picking up sticks, saying OMG or being homosexual.
If you can find anything that really suggests that it's what Jesus would want you to do then please tell me where it says that.
Anyway, thank you again for your reply.
Randy Perez to Andrea Wright (24 Jul 2017)
I dont care and God does not care that you have degenerates trying to make homosexuals a demographic group. GOD calls them an abomination.Andrea Wright to Randy Perez (24 Jul 2017)
You talk about domestic violence. It was the woman who chose these men. It was the woman who raised these men.
When Jesus Christ is ruling on Earth, He will ruling with a rod of iron. Very authoritarian, even though its the NT. Do you think Christ will let the unregenrate people sin without punishment when He sets up His Kingdom?
Hello Randy,Randy Perez to Andrea Wright (25 July 2017)
Thank you for replying.
I'll try to respond with gentleness and reverence.
Firstly, I'm very much saddened that you weren't willing to share the reasons for your faith with me.
Is there a reason for that? Do you hate me? Or are you afraid of something? Or do you not have reasons for your faith?
Jesus spent time talking with people that the religious zealots of the time would have preferred to have stoned. Do you think he was mistaken in doing that? Chapter 8 of St John's gospel is worth reading.
I'm still listening if you change your mind.
Just to clarify a few other things.
The term "demographic group" isn't defined anywhere that I know of in the Bible. If I'm wrong please let me know.
Demography is defined as the "scientific study of human populations, especially with reference to their size, structure, and distribution".
The gender and sexuality of people reflect aspects of the structure of a society - whether those people are an abomination or not.
If you don't care about demography I'm not quite sure why you mentioned it in the first place.
I didn't specifically mention domestic violence. I wrote about rape, beatings and threats.
Am I correct in understanding that you think that women who are raped, beaten and threatened actually caused it themselves?
Do you have scriptures to back this idea up?
Also I didn't mention anything about the time when "Jesus Christ is ruling on earth" or what conditions would be like then. I'd be interested if you would tell me which passages of scripture you are basing your understanding on. I don't know enough about the topic at the moment to be able to answer your question.
I actually wrote about the things that Jesus said and about living in the here and now. That in the here and now the New Covenant as described by Jesus isn't compatible with executing people because of their gender or sexuality. Again I'd be interested to know if you can point me to any part of the New Testament to show that I'm mistaken in believing this.
So, thank you again for taking the trouble to reply.
I'd appreciate it if you could give this some more thought and reply again.
"I'll try to respond with gentleness and reverence." You have been gentle, but rude as well. You should stop ignoring what I said.Andrea Wright to Randy Perez (25 July 2017)
"Firstly, I'm very much saddened that you weren't willing to share the reasons for your faith with me." I already told you why I agree with Theodore about topic.
"Is there a reason for that? Do you hate me? Or are you afraid of something? Or do you not have reasons for your faith?" There you go with your gentle rudeness and false assumptions. I already told you why I agree with Theodore.
"Jesus spent time talking with people that the religious zealots of the time would have preferred to have stoned. Do you think he was mistaken in doing that? Chapter 8 of St John's gospel is worth reading."
This is called mercy not tolerance. Just because God gives people second chances does not mean that he let's it go unpunished. If you were consistent you would take chapter and say, "You see, now we can't punished thieves and murderers."
"The term "demographic group" isn't defined anywhere that I know of in the Bible. If I'm wrong please let me know.
Demography is defined as the "scientific study of human populations, especially with reference to their size, structure, and distribution".
The gender and sexuality of people reflect aspects of the structure of a society - whether those people are an abomination or not." So according to you, thieves l, rapist, and murderers and a demographic group.
"If you don't care about demography I'm not quite sure why you mentioned it in the first place." Gentle, but rude. Gentle, but rude. Maybe you should re-read what I wrote. I basically said, "I don't care about man's definition of the use of words." I'm more concerned about what God considers a demographic group. In other words, If God was in front if you and you asked Him what would He say.
"I didn't specifically mention domestic violence. I wrote about rape, beatings and threats." Okay? So? You didn't refute anything I said.
"Am I correct in understanding that you think that women who are raped, beaten and threatened actually caused it themselves?" No, I said they chose men that are bad so they are going they get hurt. I say the exact same things to men who complain about their wife. They chose women that are trash. Women choose trashy men.
"Do you have scriptures to back this idea up?" The first Chapter of proverbs is about warning people to be careful who they choose their friends. Why? Because they may lead you astray into a world of sin. In 1st Corinthians, Paul tells Christians to marry other Christians. Why? To prevent a bad marriage a land to raise Christian children. Many places in scripture tells you "Do not be deceived." If you are deceived, it is your fault for not seeking God's wisdom, which is what The entire book of proverbs is essentially about.
"Also I didn't mention anything about the time when "Jesus Christ is ruling on earth" or what conditions would be like then. I'd be interested if you would tell me which passages of scripture you are basing your understanding on. I don't know enough about the topic at the moment to be able to answer your question." I mentioned it because when Jesus is ruling here on earth, He will be ruling under the NT. Although He will be ruling under the NT, He will still rule authoritarian. I have scripture for this.
Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. 28 And I will give him the morning star.
Read the entirety of Psalm 2.
Daniel 7:18'But the saints of the Highest One will receive the kingdom and possess the kingdom forever, for all ages to come
Basically, When Christ comes Christ will be the King of all. He will be the highest Authority Figure as King with the Father and the Holy Spirit. Christ will give people who truly believed in Him before His coming glorified bodies. Bodies that have no imperfections and probably have access to see and go through dimensions that We can't see in our fallen state. You can see this on Luke after He was risen. Bodies that are perfect and amazing in everyway. The people who did not believe in Him before His return, some will be spared of the lake of fire be allowed to live in the New Universe under one condition. They must live under the authority of Christ. Christ will give the Glorified believers land where the degenerate people live so that the Glorified people of God can rule over the degenerate people. Angels because they act more like soldiers would probably be like the enforcing what the Glorified people made into law. The laws that glorified people will write will be laws that Christ Himself tells them to write, so We won't do our own Will, but His will be done. Very aspect our our lives will be dictated by Him, but it'll feel like we are doing our own Will because we would be glorified.
"I actually wrote about the things that Jesus said and about living in the here and now. That in the here and now the New Covenant as described by Jesus isn't compatible with executing people because of their gender or sexuality. Again I'd be interested to know if you can point me to any part of the New Testament to show that I'm mistaken in believing this." I already explained this. God will Rule very authoritarian. Even if He doesn't execute people, He will possibly put people in Prison in His kingdom. But in the OT there were no prisons. So we see the nature of God's justice that God doesn't like prisons. Since He won't put people in Prison, He would probably have them Whipped or executed, or pay the person harmed. The rule over the nations is to be strong, but it is to be loving also. To those who obey it, it will be a shepherding; only those who resist it will be dashed in pieces.
Hi Randy,Randy Perez to Andrea Wright (27 July 2017)
Thank you for your reply.
And I apologise if I've ignored what you've said or if I've been rude at all. That wasn't my intention.
When I asked you to share the reasons for your faith with me I wasn't asking why you agreed with Theodore about this specific topic. You had already explained some of those reasons.
I was wondering what it was that led you to have faith in Christ. I'm sorry if I didn't make this clear, and I would honestly appreciate it if you could share that with me.
I was trying to avoid false assumptions by asking questions rather than making statements, and apologise if this seemed rude. I was wondering why you hadn't shared your faith with me and realise now that I hadn't made it sufficiently clear.
You mentioned mercy as opposed to tolerance. I hadn't mentioned either, but I agree with you. Though I also think that the word mercy includes connotations of forgiveness as opposed to punishment. The point that I was trying to make, though, is that Jesus talked with people that were sinners. He didn't verbally abuse or physically abuse them. He didn't make death threats.
Maybe there will be a time for punishment and reckoning.
But when I think about the way that Jesus dealt with people, that time has not yet arrived.
So it saddens me when I see people saying and writing stuff that gives the impression that they believe that gay people or trans people or a whole load of others who commit "crimes" that society doesn't classify as crimes should be thrown into prison or even executed just because they are gay or trans. I just don't see that attitude in the life of Christ.
So far as demographics are concerned, I was trying to use definitions accepted by people that "do" demographics - the Office for National Statistics and the sources mentioned in the article in Time magazine for example. I don't classify these people as being "degenerates trying to make homosexuals a demographic group". As I said, I don't know what God's definition of demography is which is why I asked if you could point me to one. I wasn't at all intending to be rude. I was simply asking why you'd used the term if you weren't willing to use the definition of it that seems to be used by demographers. Particularly since I hadn't used the term in my original comment on Theodore's video.
When I mentioned rape, beatings and threats to women I wasn't exclusively talking about it in a domestic setting. Women get raped, beaten and threatened outside of the domestic environment. But even then, the point I was making was that if you look at the facts, men are typically more involved in doing things that destroy society than women are. It's not just about women choosing bad men. I was pointing out that modern men probably put more effort into destroying society than do modern women.
Thank you for the insight you gave me in your understanding of the end times - if that's the correct term.
But, do you not think that this isn't where we are at just at the moment?
I had thought that Jesus wanted, and would still want, his followers to live and behave as he described in Matthew chapters 5 and 6.
Anyway, thank you for taking the trouble to reply to me.
And if you would be willing to share what it was that led you to faith in Christ I would be very appreciative.
What led me to Christ was the fact that the universe can't create itself. Someone who is eternally existent and powerful had to create the universe. That is number one. Number two is the eye witness testimony of the apostles. You may say, "they claim to be eye witnesses, but they could be lying." But this is absurd. How do I know they weren't lying? Because when they were spreading the gospel, they were persecuted, beaten, jailed, mocked, lived in poverty, and executed for spreading the gospel. People lie so that they can get out of trouble, to get rich, or to get women. The apostles life were made much more difficult. This is how I know that their EYE witness testimony is true.Andrea Wright to Randy Perez (1 August 2017)
"Though I also think that the word mercy includes connotations of forgiveness as opposed to punishment."
No, forgiveness is not harboring a grudge over someone. This does not contradict punishing someone.
"The point that I was trying to make, though, is that Jesus talked with people that were sinners."
Theodore talked with people who were sinners.
"He didn't verbally abuse or physically abuse them. He didn't make death threats."
He said "it is not right to take the children's bread and give it to the dogs" when talking about The woman. Even when talking about The New Jerusalem it says no dogs allowed and the context was about sinners. He called the scribes and Pharisees brood of vipers. Death threats? He made threats of sending people to Hell forever, which is called the second death. In terms NT, God killed people. He even killed Christians for lying. Look at Jesus of the Book of revelation when He is sending the messages to the Christ Churches.
"But when I think about the way that Jesus dealt with people, that time has not yet arrived."
Look at the final verse of Matthew."All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth" In other words, there was a time when Christ didn't have all authority in Earth. I believe He had all authority in Heaven, but not on earth. When he was risen from the dead and glorified, that is when all authority was given to him on earth. When Jesus said my kingdoms not of This world, that was before He was Risen. Now His kingdom is not originated from world, but now owns it.
"So it saddens me when I see people saying and writing stuff that gives the impression that they believe that gay people or trans people or a whole load of others who commit "crimes" that society doesn't classify as crimes should be thrown into prison or even executed just because they are gay or trans. I just don't see that attitude in the life of Christ."
Being sad won't change anything. You're still wrong. You dont see that attitude, but I see it. Not only do I see it, I provide scripture. You admit it yourself that Christ will send Homosexuals and all types if weird people to the lake of fire forever. Which is worse? Putting them in Prison where they can get reformed or putting them in lava forever? Your problem is with Christ, not with me.
Concerning demographics. God calls these people sinners. That is Number one identifier. That is how God sees them. There are two groups of people in this world. Children of Adam and children of God.
"But even then, the point I was making was that if you look at the facts, men are typically more involved in doing things that destroy society than women are. It's not just about women choosing bad men. I was pointing out that modern men probably put more effort into destroying society than do modern women."
Little crimes here and there do not destroy society. Also, it is the women who raise these men. The women are the ones who are raising these rapist and murderers and thieves. When men were the head of the household and respected as an authority figure, that is when Crime rate was lower.
"Thank you for the insight you gave me in your understanding of the end times - if that's the correct term."
That wasn't the end times. That was after the end times.
"But, do you not think that this isn't where we are at just at the moment?"
Yes That is where we are at this moment because all what I described was under the NT. The NT is here an active His kingdom come, His will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. His kingdom is already here because the Kigdom of heaven is within us and wherever two or more Christians gather, that is where Christ will be.
"I had thought that Jesus wanted, and would still want, his followers to live and behave as he described in Matthew chapters 5 and 6."
Oh we will because like He demanded in Chapters 5-7, but we Will also behave like he commanded, through his apostle Paul, in Romans 13.
Hello Randy,As at 7 August 2017 there has been no reply from Randy.
Thank you that you were willing to share that.
Like you, I have a great respect for people that are willing to die for their beliefs.
In reaching out to you I’m trying to understand what it is that makes you feel and think the way that you do.
The scriptures that you mentioned help in that, together with your description of how it was that you came to Christ.
The comments that I made at the beginning of this discussion thread challenged some of the statements made in Theodore’s video.
For example. Theodore said "most people do not agree with homosexuality".
In the UK and the USA this statement is incorrect. It has nothing to do with demography. The statement is simply incorrect.
The video emphasises the idea of “remembering Lot’s wife” as though Jesus was using this statement as a way of suggesting that all women are like Lot’s wife and that Jesus was making some kind of a comment about women who sympathise with homosexuality. This isn’t at all what Jesus was saying. To use the story of Lot’s wife as a mechanism for tarnishing all women is to misrepresent what the story is about.
I also made the point that statistically men do more things that contribute to damaging society than do women. This isn’t just my opinion. This is true.
You categorised rape and violence against women as being “little crimes here and there.” Surely they are more than that?
Of men who are rapists, murderers and thieves you said “… it is the women who raise these men. The women are the ones who are raising these rapist and murderers and thieves. When men were the head of the household and respected as an authority figure, that is when Crime rate was lower.” I’m still trying to figure out your meaning. It seems that you are saying that if a man rapes a woman, the person really at fault is the rapists mother. If that’s what you’re saying then I believe that you are wrong. If you’re saying something else then please let me know.
When I mentioned that Jesus talked with sinners, you said “Theodore talked with people who were sinners”
Yet on the video Theodore says of his “sodomite” cousins “I have two cousins who are sodomites. And guess what? I don’t talk to them. … I refuse to speak to these people because they are perverts”. He also says “Sodomites should be put to death. I would take my two cousins and have them executed, yes. It wouldn’t bother me in the least bit. Firing squad, whatever. It doesn’t bother me.”
So, I’m not convinced that you’re right in suggesting that Theodore talks with sinners. At least not with people that he classes as being “sodomites”.
As you will know, there are people that disagree with the way in which you interpret some of the scriptures that you quote. We could discuss eschatology, but that wasn’t the purpose of my original comment in this discussion. I’m not saying that I’m unwilling to. So, if you’d like to then please say and we can talk about that.
Personally, I don’t think that there is an after-life or a lake of fire.
I know that what I think doesn’t affect what is true.
But also, what you think doesn’t affect the truth either. And, at the moment, there is no incontrovertible way of proving the truth of what the Bible says about these things. Even amongst people that say they believe what the Bible says, there is disagreement.
You mentioned that being sad doesn’t change anything. But actually, it does. It can have a powerful impact on changing people. I’m speaking from experience here.
Maybe what you meant was that “being sad doesn’t change the truth”. And I agree with that. But there isn’t a way of proving that your views are the truth.
I’m ok with a person that says “this is what the Bible says …” so long as the Bible actually says that. Even if I disagree with it and don’t believe it personally.
What I’m not ok with is when people think it’s ok to punish other people for simply being who they are, when the things that they do don’t hurt other people. Even if there is a passage in a book that gives the impression that it’s ok to do that.
So, Theodore’s views on this are, to me, way off the mark.
I think that the early Christians were people that were willing to die for their faith. I don’t think that they killed for their faith. So, it saddens me that, because of his faith, Theodore thinks that it is ok to have people killed. I also firmly believe that he is wrong.
The video is disturbing because it paints opinions (a person’s interpretation of the Bible) as being “the truth” and then says it is OK for people to be killed based on these opinions. It also misrepresents the meaning of Jesus’ warning about remembering “Lots wife” and makes statements that are factually incorrect.